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Congressman Admits Under Torture That He'll Vote for Obama

by campskunk, Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 07:48:23 AM EST

Trapped by a reporter, Florida congressman Allen Boyd (FL-02) struggled to explain his position on the 2008 presidential race.

U.S. Rep. Allen Boyd, a leader of the conservative Blue Dog caucus in Congress, said Wednesday he will vote for Sen. Barack Obama but shied away from endorsing his party's candidate for president.

Boyd said he can't support Sen. John McCain because he considers his GOP platform a continuation of President Bush's economic policies. Boyd, a Monticello Democrat elected to Congress in 1996, called Obama "a great candidate" with a good chance of winning nationally and carrying Florida's 27 electoral votes.

"I have never endorsed a candidate in a presidential race and I won't now," Boyd said. "I've got a race of my own and I'll stay focused on that. That's my job, to represent the interests of my folks."

Looks like he managed to contain his enthusiasm.

In other news, another Florida congressman, Tim Mahoney, attempted to avoid being tied to Obama by voicing his intention to skip the convention in Denver. A Georgia congressman, asked if Obama was better qualified for the presidency than McCain, said....

...nothing.

Since clinching the nomination last week, Obama has run into reluctance among congressional Democrats.

Rep. David Boren, the only Democratic congressman from Oklahoma, said Tuesday the Illinois senator does not have a record of bipartisan work in Congress. Rep. Tim Mahoney, D-Fla., a first-term member targeted by Republicans in a GOP-leaning district, said he will remain an uncommitted superdelegate but might not attend the Democratic National Convention in Denver.

Georgia Rep. Jim Marshall refused to say whether he considers Obama better qualified than McCain.

DNC officials started conflating statements of willingness to vote for Obama with official endorsements, and quantifying what they considered to be acceptable loss figures.

Democratic National Committeeman Jon Ausman of Tallahassee said he is not losing serious support among party leaders. Ausman said Boyd's statement that he will vote for Obama amounts to an endorsement.

"There are 28 Democratic governors, 51 U.S. Senators and 230-plus members of the House," said Ausman. "If possibly 10 of them don't officially endorse Obama, it's not a big deal."

Tags: 2008 election, FL (all tags)

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Well, torture. (2.00 / 3)

That's one way to get them to the polls.

formerly bookgirl

by masslib1 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 07:56:41 AM EST

Re: Well, torture. (2.00 / 7)

In all seriousness, you guys are taking advantage of a free and open site to throw salt in our eyes.

You wouldn't tolerate this at The Confluence or any of your other sites. You never have. Posts criticizing Hillary Clinton, or even the barest of praise for Barack Obama are immediately deleted.

When you start out making the "slippery slope" argument, where do you draw the line?

by Jess81 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 10:11:35 AM EST
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Re: Well, torture. (1.50 / 2)

That's an awful lot of words for "troll".

by FlyingLizard on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 10:38:34 AM EST
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Re: Well, torture. (none / 0)

If you are calling Jess a troll then please shut the fuck up and, yes, let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.

by KLRinLA on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 03:41:09 PM EST
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Interesting to read (2.00 / 10)

that you accomplished two Republican talking points:

Dilution of the meaning of torture; and
Spreading the meme of division (ha) within the Democratic ranks.

Amazing you don't spend more time on highlighting the 14 Senate Republicans who won't endorse McCain. But then, you'd not get any points.

by gchaucer2 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 07:58:27 AM EST

Re: Interesting to read (1.80 / 10)

a GOPer using GOP talking points and you are suprised?

Dream for tomorrow but fight for it today.

by TruthMatters on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 08:04:23 AM EST
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My only suprise (1.33 / 3)

is that the GOPer is still here. At least he/she/it was banned from DKos.

by gchaucer2 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 08:07:24 AM EST
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Re: My only suprise (2.00 / 2)

They're going to ride to his rescue shortly. They gang of 7.

When you start out making the "slippery slope" argument, where do you draw the line?

by Jess81 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 08:26:50 AM EST
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actually, i still have a subscription to kos... (1.45 / 20)

...which is easily verified by one click of the mouse. i could post there if i wanted; it's just that i don't post there anymore, partly because the low quality of the propaganda makes it so unsportsmanlike to shoot down. it's like sitting ducks.

smile for the camera and say quack.

i don't expect an apology or a retraction, because obamamania means never saying you're sorry. kos never apologized for the laughably bogus "hillary's ad darkened obama's face", and you'll probably follow his example. besides, it probably wouldn't do any good for you to start telling the truth again - nobody would believe you.

by campskunk on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 09:32:41 AM EST
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Re: actually, i still have a subscription to kos.. (2.00 / 6)

i don't post there anymore, partly because the low quality of the propaganda makes it so unsportsmanlike to shoot down.

Stop that! The irony is making me sneeze!

I come here for the lulz.

by username on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 10:27:08 AM EST
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ah, so they only (1.00 / 2)

got rid of your sockpuppet. Well, at least you aren't contaminating the site.

by gchaucer2 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 10:32:51 AM EST
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Re: actually, i still have a subscription to kos.. (1.33 / 3)

Campskunk, this is literally a GOP press release. No one cares whether or not you have a nominal membership at kos: you're busted.

When you start out making the "slippery slope" argument, where do you draw the line?

by Jess81 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:14:57 PM EST
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I see alegre's back. (none / 0)

Come on, alegre, you were all "We must vote Democratic" in 2007. Come back and be a Democrat by supporting the Democratic nominee.

by bobdoleisevil on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:30:37 PM EST
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Re: I see alegre's back. (2.00 / 2)

She was all "we must vote Democratic" in 2008 too - when it looked like Hillary Clinton would win.

When you start out making the "slippery slope" argument, where do you draw the line?

by Jess81 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 01:09:00 PM EST
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I dropped that lame site a while ago (none / 0)

yo, you got as problem with me being sad? WTF is with the TR?

by zerosumgame on Fri Jun 13, 2008 at 10:51:44 AM EST
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Skunk seems oddly appropriate (2.00 / 6)

Obama looks to be in very, very good shape, especially when compared to the guy who says coming home from Iraq isn't all that important.

From The Hill:

New Gang of 14 won't back McCain

At least 14 Republican members of Congress have refused to endorse or publicly support Sen. John McCain for president, and more than a dozen others declined to answer whether they back the Arizona senator.

Many of the recalcitrant GOP members declined to detail their reasons for withholding support, but Rep. John Peterson (R-Pa.) expressed major concerns about McCain's energy policies and Rep. Walter Jones (R-N.C.) cited the Iraq war.

by niksder on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 08:19:45 AM EST

Re: Congressman Admits Under Torture That He'll Vo (2.00 / 3)

We appreciate your deep, dep concern, but there are 28 Democratic governors, 51 U.S. Senators and 230-plus members of the House. If possibly 10 of them don't officially endorse Obama, it's not a big deal.

Besides, isn't this this same party that "stole the nomination from Hillary"? And your point is now what - that they don't like Obama either? O-kay.

When you start out making the "slippery slope" argument, where do you draw the line?

by Jess81 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 08:29:02 AM EST

Re: Congressman Admits Under Torture That He'll Vo (2.00 / 4)

That is hilarious Camp. Thanks. I needed a good laugh.

It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce

by Gabriele Droz on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 08:53:54 AM EST

Re: Congressman Admits Under Torture That He'll Vo (2.00 / 2)

Met with usual humor-deficit responses.

It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce

by Gabriele Droz on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 08:55:50 AM EST
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Re: Congressman Admits Under Torture That He'll Vo (2.00 / 1)

As evident by your response, Gabby, of course. You've always been a model denizen of our community here.

Serious question- Is This Snark?

by ragekage on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 10:47:55 AM EST
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Re: Congressman Admits Under Torture That He'll Vo (2.00 / 8)

It is getting to be camp, isn't it? In a generation or so there's going to be a whole subgenre of "hillary-kitsch" - I'm archiving Convergance and NoQuarter for the unintended humor.

It's like weird post-9/11 paranoia, plus Judy Garland style diva-worship, middle-aged guys attempting their hand at urban slang (see Johnson, Larry), conspiracy theories, and a dash of pre-1960's racial stereotypes. It's not a political campaign, it's a cultural movement.

When you start out making the "slippery slope" argument, where do you draw the line?

by Jess81 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 09:01:27 AM EST
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Re: Congressman Admits Under Torture That He'll Vo (2.00 / 1)

The diva worship is a lot more directed at Obama.

by handsomegent on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 09:08:16 AM EST
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Re: Congressman Admits Under Torture That He'll Vo (2.00 / 7)

....yeah, I remember when people could claim that with a straight face. You're making me nostalgic!

When you start out making the "slippery slope" argument, where do you draw the line?

by Jess81 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 09:35:17 AM EST
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Re: Congressman Admits Under Torture That He'll Vo (2.00 / 1)

You guys say that out of habit now, I think, because if the events of the past few months haven't shown you otherwise, it never will- but keep pushing that old line, it's pretty telling. ;)

Serious question- Is This Snark?

by ragekage on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 10:48:45 AM EST
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Obama will lose every southern state... (2.00 / 2)

at least Hil would have had a chance to take Arkansas and Florida.

by handsomegent on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 09:04:27 AM EST

Re: Obama will lose every southern state... (2.00 / 4)

Look, do we go to republican sites, troll it up, and chant about how John McCain is going to lose? Do we talk about how half the Republican party can't stand him?

No we don't. We let you guys bask in The Leader You Can Believe in all day long.

When you start out making the "slippery slope" argument, where do you draw the line?

by Jess81 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 09:39:40 AM EST
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Re: Obama will lose every southern state... (1.00 / 3)

Just stating a fact, not trolling it up at all. Sorry if the truth still bothers you.

by handsomegent on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 10:38:18 AM EST
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Re: Obama will lose every southern state... (2.00 / 1)

No, it's not a fact at all. It's an opinion. You have the right to your own opinions, sir, but you do not have the right to your own facts. And as an opinion, it's worth as much as my daughters', who is currently filling her diaper- which is the level I'd put your assertion at.

Serious question- Is This Snark?

by ragekage on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 10:50:24 AM EST
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Re: Obama will lose every southern state... (none / 0)

Yeah, but "you just can't handle my opinion" doesn't have the same cliche-power.

When you start out making the "slippery slope" argument, where do you draw the line?

by Jess81 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 11:02:30 AM EST
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Re: Obama will lose every southern state... (none / 0)

Oh, funny man. I can't type this I'm laughing so much. I'm making a declarative statement that McCain won't win a single swouthern state and HRC could have won Ark. and FL. You just don't like it, do you. Plus I'll say what the fuck I want, if it's all the same to you.

by handsomegent on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 11:30:17 AM EST
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Re: Obama will lose every southern state... (2.00 / 1)

I was about to hide-rate that gem of yours, and then I read this:

I'm making a declarative statement that McCain won't win a single swouthern state and HRC could have won Ark. and FL.

Bravo to you, sir, for having such faith in our nominee!

Serious question- Is This Snark?

by ragekage on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 11:46:56 AM EST
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Re: Obama will lose every southern state... (none / 0)

What gem? I type too fast at times. I meant to say that Obama won't win any state in the south, including Virginia. I believe that to be the case. And I've already stated numerous times on here that I don't care how I'm rated and that I'll be staying home on November 4th.

by handsomegent on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:02:22 PM EST
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Re: Obama will lose every southern state... (none / 0)

Well, of course, the question remains as to why you bother to hang around here at all, then? We're a site dedicated to electing progressive Democrats, and you're not interested in doing that. Which is fine with me, I don't think we need your particular brand of "help"- I'd much rather Senator McCain had your brand of help.

Serious question- Is This Snark?

by ragekage on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:06:21 PM EST
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Re: Obama will lose every southern state... (1.66 / 3)

It's amazing to me that the RNC puts out a memo, and Campskunk, Kingsbridge77, or soyousay ferret it here in no time at all, AND THEY'RE STILL MEMBERS IN GOOD STANDING.

Because campskunk's diary is an RNC memo. Literally.

When you start out making the "slippery slope" argument, where do you draw the line?

by Jess81 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:10:56 PM EST
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Re: Obama will lose every southern state... (none / 0)

Stop trying to censor Ragekage.

When you start out making the "slippery slope" argument, where do you draw the line?

by Jess81 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 11:48:21 AM EST
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I personally think McCain's got Alabama locked (none / 0)

up, but we can agree to disagree.

by bobdoleisevil on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:26:24 PM EST
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huh (2.00 / 1)

I thought Virginia was a "southern state". But then I thought my own state counted toward the nomination.

by BlueinColorado on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 11:00:04 AM EST
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He going to fix all this by (2.00 / 3)

throwing tax increases for the rich under the bus, claiming he's voted mostly with Bush, and reaching out to the religious right with a big messiah-fest at the Democratic National Convention.

formerly bookgirl

by masslib1 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 09:14:38 AM EST

Re: He going to fix all this by (2.00 / 3)

Which is what the bluedogs, who LOVED Hillary, all want.

I went over to Riverdaughter's blog today, and the plan has evolved to not only vote for McCain, but to vote out every democratic lawmaker who backed Obama. Which would put these guys in charge.

When you start out making the "slippery slope" argument, where do you draw the line?

by Jess81 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 10:59:51 AM EST
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goldberry has some issues. (2.00 / 1)

by bobdoleisevil on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:03:33 PM EST
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Re: goldberry has some issues. (none / 0)

Haha!

I finally at the age of 26 read The Lord of the Rings this month, and the references are EVERYWHERE.

Someone a couple of weeks ago said something about someone "gnawing at the ends of their old plots" and they were quoting The Two Towers, possibly without realizing it.

When you start out making the "slippery slope" argument, where do you draw the line?

by Jess81 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:12:51 PM EST
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Re: goldberry has some issues. (2.00 / 1)

Wait a minute - she actually calls herself Goldberry?

Egads. I am so signing up there as "Tom Bombadil". I'll post in all doggerel, of course.

Away over the waterfalls
Comes Barack Obama, the law-giver
Trees and shrubs to him he calls
And elves and hobbits ...something.. meadow river

When you start out making the "slippery slope" argument, where do you draw the line?

by Jess81 on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:22:49 PM EST
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She called herself that at Daily Kos (none / 0)

by bobdoleisevil on Thu Jun 12, 2008 at 12:25:38 PM EST
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Re: She called herself that at Daily Kos (2.00 / 2)

But did she post in all italics about dwarves and magic rings?