Olbermann's "Solution" - Take Hillary in a Room and...

Well, Keith Olbermann is getting frustrated. He huffed and puffed and special commented - and nothing. Hillary just kept on campaigning. She came on his show and had her way with him. Then, she beat his network's anointed candidate, Barack Obama, by 10 points in Pennsylvania. Oh, it was ugly.

So what's a commentator to do? Well, Keith has given up on the political process entirely as a way of ending Hillary's candidacy, and has proposed a new approach during his on-air discussion with Howard Fineman. Have a look.

Here's the quote:

"Yeah, somebody who can take her into a room and only he comes out."

Delilah Boyd is a little pissed:

Under what possible circumstances is Keith Olbermann not calling for Clinton to be taken out... physically?

Metaphor, my ass.

If 2 white guys suggested that "somebody" take Obama into a room and Obama doesn't come out, how would that sound to you?

If it sounds more...um, outrageous to say such a thing about Obama than it is to say it about Clinton, then you need to take a long look at your personal beliefs about human rights.

Getting frustrated, Keith? Well, be careful. The underlying beliefs behind your opposition to Hillary's campaign are starting to peek out. And they're not pretty.

Randi Rhodes got fired for calling Hillary and Geraldine Ferraro "fucking whores".

And David Shuster was put on a "timeout" when he accused Hillary of "pimping out" her daughter Chelsea.  He snuck back in a few weeks ago once the furor died down.

And now we have a talking head from MSNBC (surprise!) calling for the murder (or at the very least assault and battery) on a United States Senator/candidate for the highest office in the land. There is absolutely no excuse for a so-called journalist to go on the air and say this about a woman - any woman! much less a former First Lady, sitting US Senator, and a candidate for the presidency!

More importantly, this touches upon the very core of the problem as to how women in this society are viewed and treated.  Folks pay nothing more than lip service to the notion that women deserve to be treated with respect, and that we need to wipe out the scourge of domestic violence in our society and yet it means NOTHING because it's reinforced by "gentlemen" like KO on the airwaves.

Think about how you'd feel inside at this very moment if you'd just seen a video of a guy saying that about Barack Obama, our first African American candidate for the presidency.  To those of you who'd dismiss this as unimportant, ask yourself how you'd feel if Olbermann (or Limbaugh or Hannity for that matter) had said this about Barack.

Can you honestly say that you wouldn't be sickened to see that footage?

Can you honestly say you wouldn't be outraged?

Can you honestly sit there and ask us to believe you wouldn't be calling for Olbermann's head on a platter?

And Olbermann just got as ugly as he can possibly get with this latest round of sexist and hateful attacks on Hillary.

Now, I'm gonna sit back and watch the gymnastics as Obama supporters explain how this is acceptable. Don't all speak at once.



Display:


Yuck (2.00 / 13)

Disgusting Olbermann and the boys club- say whatever the hell they want about Clinton.  This is disgusting-


by linc on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:25:22 PM EST

Re: Yuck (2.00 / 7)

We should be writing and demonstrating to remove KO from his position for that over the top remark.


by 07rescue on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:28:46 PM EST
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Perhaps... (2.00 / 10)

Maybe MSNBO will listen... Or maybe they will ultimately just ignore us the way they did when they snuk David "Pimp Out Chelsea" Shuster back onto the network. I dunno... I think I'm ready for an all-out boycott of MSNBO, as maybe the only way to get to them is to stop watching & stop giving advertisers reason to buy commercial time on MSNBO.


We shall overcome!
by atdleft on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:47:38 PM EST
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Re: Perhaps... (2.00 / 4)

it's hate speech, like who will rid me of this meddlesome woman, and angry violent people might see it as an obligation.  He must be fired and forever banned, he hasn't the sense of a child, so say such a provocative thing on television.  Just when you think they can't go farther, they surprise you?  


what a relief
by anna shane on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:51:32 PM EST
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Re: Perhaps... (1.33 / 3)

I think Shuster was sorta vindicated by the Ed Rendell - Chelsea Clinton gay bar crawl in Philly.


by nwodtuhs on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 07:21:08 PM EST
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Re: Perhaps... (2.00 / 2)

Ridiculous.

Bar crawls are part of political campaigns in places where they work.  A gay bar crawl was an outreach to a community that the McClurkin folks wouldn't even want to have a voice.

No, he can't be 'vindicated' by any means or any action that Chelsea will actually take.


Hell's bells, even the GOP didn't have to crucify Eisenhower's record in order to make Reagan their 'saint'. We can have two great ones, you know?
by emsprater on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 07:43:27 PM EST
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Re: Yuck (1.50 / 4)

Yep, I bet MSNBC will remove their top draw for using a common metaphor, and you can wirtte a letter to Obama and he'll withdraw, and wirte one to Bush and he'll surrender in the Hague, and wirte one to Hill and she'll sstop trading American lives for political capital.


by Socraticsilence on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 04:12:47 PM EST
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Acceptable? (1.66 / 6)

Well I'd say it was a very poor choice of metaphor.  But it is in no way meant to suggest that someone take her out physically.  

The faux outrage is tiresome.


by Same As It Ever Was on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:26:49 PM EST

Its better than (2.00 / 8)

the incessant whining about the bullies at the debate.  Did you answer the question?  What if it were Obama that were to be dragged into a room to be taken out?  You would be flipping your shit right now-


by linc on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:29:07 PM EST
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Re: Its better than (2.00 / 0)

No.  I wouldn't.  This is silly.

His comments were stupid and ill advised.  But they were metaphor.


by Same As It Ever Was on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:29:59 PM EST
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Some metaphors are anchored in sexism (2.00 / 1)

and some are anchored in racism.  There are ways to speak that are simply offensive.  Please consider this comment by Rachel Sklar from HuffingtonPost which I posted on another thread, emphasis mine:

Do I really think Olbermann thinks Hillary Clinton should really be violently beaten to the point of physical incapacitation, or worse? No, though some have taken that statement to its logical conclusion. But it is an unmistakably violent image -- and that point seems to be undisputed by those who have written about it so far (Google "Olbermann" and "take her into a room" and you'll see results like "Keith Olbermann Advocates Violence Against Hillary" "Olbermann: Misogyny 101" "Calls To End Race Turn Violent""Olbermann: How To Snuff Out Hillary Clinton"). Even Fineman seemed taken aback by the statement - there is a distinct pause after, and it's an eternity in TV time. He's not facing the camera but you can tell that the statement was jarring. (Even so he agreed, saying, "Yes, yes exactly.")
There really seems to be only one interpretation here, and the only point of debate is on whether it's okay or not. I'm going to cut that one short: It's not. To the fellow (male) journo I wrote to about this yesterday, who waved it off as just some colorful film-noir imagery, I say: can you IMAGINE if someone had said that about Obama? That he should be taken somewhere and dealt with, so that he wouldn't come back? Can you imagine if some right-winger had talked about getting Obama out of the race "the old-fashioned way?" If that last one makes you cringe, it should, because it evokes a history of violence against black people in this country that is raw and real. Well, frankly, the same goes for women -- many of whom have been taken somewhere private, and never returned.
.

If you take the trouble to click over to the full article, you should find it illuminating.


by Radiowalla on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 07:56:57 PM EST
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Re: Acceptable? (2.00 / 6)

yeah, maybe the reason she wouldn't come out is that she was going to retire from the world and become cloistered.

hey, just trying to be helpful in proposing alternative explanations.


by campskunk on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:29:48 PM EST
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There's a difference (2.00 / 3)

Between the comment of 'pimping Chelsea out' and this pretty obvious metaphor a superdelegate being 'strong' enough to convince Hillary to back down.

If anything, Keith is complimenting Hillary on her strength -- or stubbornness -- by saying that there's very few people who have the stature to do this. Her husband would be one, but unfortunately he's a little biased.

It's context, and it's a little silly to argue anything else other than what the interview was about.


"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."
by VAAlex on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:27:08 PM EST

Hey, words matter....don't they? (2.00 / 1)

Or only when you say so?


by CoyoteCreek on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 04:34:38 PM EST
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Re: There's a difference (none / 0)

I would like to give obama the same compliment.


You may not agree with What I say but don't forget I am a Democrat
by indydem99 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 04:52:05 PM EST
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"I swear, this time it is a wolf!" (2.00 / 5)

Seriously, a second diary about an simple turn of phrase. And yes, its just a well accepted metaphor that is not seen as racist or a call for violence.

I saw the segment last night. If Edwards were the one (he was my guy) they were talking about I wouldn't be offended.

Your outrage not only makes you appear to be so partisan  you are divorced from reality, it causes any other legitimate complaint you make seem less true.

Again, before you cry wolf, make sure its not a poodle.


by IowaMike on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:30:53 PM EST

Words Just Words (2.00 / 6)

Senator O values words, why don't you?


I didn't believe in god before the primaries and I still don't.
by NewHampster on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:35:41 PM EST
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Re: Words Just Words (1.50 / 6)

You have got to be kidding.

You are a laughing stock!


by IowaMike on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:48:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Words Just Words (1.33 / 3)

Except you don't value words, just hate for people who don't see things your way.


by zep93 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 04:18:35 PM EST
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Re: Olbermann's "Solution" - (2.00 / 7)

"Yeah, somebody who can take her into a room and only he comes out."

How about he take her into the room - I think we all know who'd come out, and it wouldn't be Keith.


by AnnC on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:33:17 PM EST

Re: Olbermann's "Solution" - (2.00 / 7)

well, keith thinks he's big and bad. if her appearance on his show was any indication, she'd probably be able to handle anything he could dish out.


by campskunk on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:39:34 PM EST
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Re: Olbermann's "Solution" - (2.00 / 5)

Although I did watch his interview with her, I had actually stopped watching him probably about a year ago.  I can't stand Bush and O'Reilly as much as the next (sane) person, but he was getting a little obsessive and creepy for me.  Maybe if we get a Democratic president, he will regain his sanity and be watchable again.


by AnnC on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:58:11 PM EST
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What? (none / 0)

The whole reason violence against women is a serious issue is that the vast majority of women are physically weaker than the vast majority of men.

Way to propagate the myth that physical strength (or combat ability, or whatever) has anything to do with qualifications to be President.  You've seen a few too many ill-advised "toughness" and "fighter" ads and slogans.

Olbermann used a bad, easy-to-misinterpet metaphor (especially by those who want to cry wolf everywhere).  But how can ridiculous taunts that a 60-year-old woman can beat up a 49-year-old man twice her size help make the case that this kind of violence shouldn't be joked about?


by corph on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 04:46:24 PM EST
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KO is such a toon. (2.00 / 7)

He sent an "apology" to Rachael Sklar at Huff POst but couldn't resist his nasty nature and complained that she was just trying to be mean to him rather than genuinely critical of his statement.

"BaWhaaaaaaa.  People are being mean to me.  BaWhaaaaaaa."

KO.  Worst. Person. In. The. World.


by CoyoteCreek on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:33:30 PM EST

Maybe she got a call while in the room (2.00 / 8)

Women do get more phone calls than men so maybe that's all he meant.  She got a call and stayed behind to chat awhile.

But in reality I think it's time for us to get beyond this MSNBC bull and start talking about boycotting GE.  The momma company lets the kids go wild until people involve them directly.

I think it's time.


I didn't believe in god before the primaries and I still don't.
by NewHampster on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:34:04 PM EST

Re: Olbermann's "Solution" - (1.33 / 3)

Can the fringe posters please coordinate a little better.  Did we really need three diaries posted about the same topic within a space of 20 min?



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:35:25 PM EST

Fringe this (2.00 / 7)


I didn't believe in god before the primaries and I still don't.
by NewHampster on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:38:16 PM EST
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Re: Fringe this (1.25 / 4)

Facts are facts.  You are a very vocal fringe that isn't representative of most Hillary supporters.



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:45:58 PM EST
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No... (2.00 / 4)

Hampster isn't "fringe", and neither are all the Democrats supporting Hillary. No, what's "fringe" are the pundits on media outlets like MSNBO insisting that the will of the people be ignored and threatening violence on Hillary.


We shall overcome!
by atdleft on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:52:28 PM EST
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Re: No... (1.80 / 5)

I'm sorry, but if you think Olbermann was suggesting violence on Hillary with his comment you are - by default - part of a fringe.



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:56:47 PM EST
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Exactly. n/t (2.00 / 1)


by Same As It Ever Was on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:32:42 PM EST
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Re: No... (none / 0)

So when the sportscaster was suspended for using an inappropriate metaphor about Tiger Woods, even though he and most people did not think she was promoting violence against tiger, did you go crazy too?

Words matter......


by Jjc2008 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 04:41:39 PM EST
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Re: No... (none / 0)

No, I didn't go crazy then or now.  

I didn't think Tilghman was literally suggesting violence against Woods any more than I think Olbermann was against Clinton.



Lost rate and rec for issuing a '1' to a trollish comment. The troll, not so much.

by map on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 05:08:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: No... (2.00 / 3)

NO ONE IS THREATENING VIOLENCE AGAINST HILLARY.

Sorry for shouting but this is getting insane.


"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."
by VAAlex on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:19:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: No... (2.00 / 2)

No, misconstruing something this badly actually does make you a lunatic.  Sorry about that.


by rfahey22 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:35:04 PM EST
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Re: No... (2.00 / 1)

Hampster isn't fringe? Have you read some of his comments? Why don't you ask him his view on prostitution and pornography, and then tell me his feminist views aren't fringe.


by venician on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 04:32:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I've said I like porn (none / 0)

How that makes me nuts I don't know but I thought it made me honest.


I didn't believe in god before the primaries and I still don't.
by NewHampster on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:05:33 PM EST
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Olbermann's "Solution" (2.00 / 9)

The media is angry that it's power was insufficient to give Obama a win in Pennsylvania.


by bobbank on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:36:09 PM EST

Hmmm... (2.00 / 5)

You may be onto something, Bob. Maybe KO said this out of frustration over his & Chris Matthews' incessant whining doing NOTHING to stop Hillary's momentum in Pennsylvania. How sad that he'd have to sink to this level to get attention.


We shall overcome!
by atdleft on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:49:50 PM EST
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Momentum? (2.00 / 1)

20%
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             10%

                 There's your momentum....down!


by SovSov on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 05:05:31 PM EST
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Re: Hmmm... (none / 0)

I tell you, it is the mirror image of what the Republicans experienced in the wake of McCain.  Before and immediately after, Right Wing media pundits were FLIPPING OUT.  Rush Limbaugh threw temper tantrums (like, literally) when he learned that McCain would be the nominee.  But Republicans managed to choose a moderate candidate after all (having said that, McCain 2008 does not seem nearly as moderate as McCain 2000 was).

We are having an analogous struggle in our party, but I think the struggle is newer to us.  Republicans have had to deal with the consequences of a Right Wing hijacking of their party for nearly 8 years, after all.


by bobbank on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:15:49 PM EST
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Fire his ass. (2.00 / 9)

To millions of women, that is an outrageous comment.  To every women who has ever been physically abused, that is an outrageous comment.  To every women who has ever been threaten by a man, that is an outrageous comment.  

I remember having a boss take me into his office and LOCK THE DOOR (I was 7 months pregnant) and tell me that I had just made a grievous error in a client presentation.  His hands were tightly gripping the edge of his desk as he spoke.  I ask what I had done and he told me that when he had said "yes" (about a presentation slide) he had really meant no...but that I had told the client "yes".  Other than wondering the the f*ck he was talking about I was scared - really scared.  The client was looking for me and he knocked on the office door and when he heard the lock being unlocked and came in he was very concerned about what had been going on.  My husband and my bosses' boss were not happy campers when I reported this idiot to them.  And this was in 1977.

So don't ever threaten to take a women into a room and only have the man come back out.

Olberman should be fired IMHO.


by CoyoteCreek on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:36:35 PM EST

My sister who was abused (2.00 / 1)

finds your outrage aver this as demeaning to the actual suffering she went through.


by IowaMike on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:58:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]

My sympathy to your sister. (2.00 / 1)


by CoyoteCreek on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 04:29:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Again, Oh My God.... (1.42 / 7)

Name me on instance where this phrase has been taken a serious threat when used in this context. Are you all so pathetically partisan that reason has totally escaped your grasp? If you have a blow up over this non-event, when a real threat comes out know one will believe you. You are becoming the stereotype of the fanatical supporter, overly sensitive to any perceived threat that reason no longer functions as a check on your thought processes.

Seriously, this is one dumb-ass diary.


by IowaMike on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:55:14 PM EST

Just Give Him Some Merlot (2.00 / 3)

And Keith will be happy.


Fight for Democrats in Congress.
by owl06 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:13:36 PM EST

It's the MONEY (2.00 / 4)

Olbermann is being and continues to be paid a great deal of money for speaking the way he does - however vile. That means that MSNBC not only condones, but even encourages it. And there must be financial benefits behind MSNBC clear bias and support for Obama candidacy. Quality journalism is definitely no longer a virtue in the age of so-called "hope" and "change", among many other essential things we really need.


by supero on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:38:12 PM EST

Re: Olbermann's "Solution" (2.00 / 2)

BRAVO!


by Caldonia on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:50:12 PM EST

Zero tolerant to hate speech (2.00 / 5)

Think that is too far? A real stretch? Just a tad bit hysterical?

Replace Hillary Clinton with Barack Obama in that formulation and you tell me what that means. If someone said this about Barack Obama, it would mean that this man be lynched to remove him from a path to power. Period. Full stop. No equivocations.

There would be an outcry from EVERY Democrat, even those of us who do much care for Obama as a candidate, condemning those words, because that is what we are called upon to do when confronted with evil.


by JoeySky18 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:53:07 PM EST

Re: Zero tolerant to hate speech (2.00 / 2)

Of course there would be...and SHOULD be.  The problem is that some of (too many) of the so called progressives and liberals who support Obama think NOTHING said about Clinton is over the top.

It's like the peaceniks who use violence to promote their notion of peace.  It's hypocrisy and sanctimony all wrapped up in delusions of grandeur.


by Jjc2008 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 04:44:58 PM EST
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Spamming (2.00 / 1)

Diary spam should be a bannable offense. there is already a diary covering this on the rec list. Please delete this diary.


John McCain wants to make abortion illegal
by Lost Thought on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:54:29 PM EST

Eh. (2.00 / 3)

Certainly not the words I would have chosen, but if anyone is really drinking the Kool-Aid deeply enough to think that this is a call for physical violence, they're beyond help. You folks should be more outraged, I'd suggest, at the open floating of a smoky-backroom deal to end her candidacy.

Which, of course, is what he was talking about, not some physical scenario. Am I wrong in assuming everyone here understands that at some level, or is this just too convenient for a common-outrage community-building exercise?


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 04:18:25 PM EST

Re: Eh. (2.00 / 2)

You will defend anything. What on earth are you smoking besides the hopium? To twist this blatant sexist outrage into an attempt to make a deal is pathetic. I would never say that about you, mind you--just your comment.


by linfar on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 04:36:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

My irony meter just cracked (2.00 / 1)

when I realized that linfar decided to accuse someone else of having a protected-class-based bias problem.

Your last diary was racist. I would never say that about you, mind you - just your diary.


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 04:42:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Eh. (1.50 / 2)

When you combine this comment with your last diary, I get the impression that your some sort of Kaufmanesque preformance artist, well that and/or mentally ill. I mean this is sexist but wondeirng if Obama is going be solely for Blacks, no that's not racist that's just classist concern?  

Oh, and as always when answering Linfar (she/he knows why ask about what Sharpton "said") I have to question why you continue to support a canidate who described the Holocaust as "a good start."


by Socraticsilence on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 05:47:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Olbermann's "Solution" (2.00 / 2)

Sounds like it's time for KO to go back to calling basketball games--always seemed like he tried too hard to be the "cool kid" on his news network when most of us already knew all he was is a 2nd class sports reporter...


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 04:40:11 PM EST

Yep. Olbermann needs to take about a (2.00 / 4)

2 or 3 month vacation before he pops a blood vessel in his head, or his head simply explodes. If Hillary does well in Indiana, he may need a defibrillator on hand. This Edward R. Murrow wannabe has gone beserk with his Clinton-hating B.S. "Hey Keith! Our Democratic primary has more than one candidate. Ever hear of journalistic integrity?" Good night, and good luck....


Obama supporter working to defeat McCain.
by Rumarhazzit on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 04:43:13 PM EST

we should care? (1.50 / 2)

If this is the "new issue" you have hit rock bottom and are digging.  You are making a racial issue out of this?  Why don't you all just get on top of your roofs and scream "AMERICA ARE YOU CRAZY, HE'S A BLACK GUY."  B/c that is really why Clinton(s) and supporters keep talking race.  Obama has tried to make this non-racial and you guys want to remind everyone about how we truly feel about black men in America.  Your sick.  This is why, as a joke, Jon Stewart, asked Obama "Will you enslave the white race?"  B/c that is the "fear" Pennians are trying to instill.  Damn you!


by SovSov on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 04:54:09 PM EST

Re: Olbermann's "Solution" (2.00 / 2)

Ok, so if two people go into a room and only one comes out - what happens to the other person?  Seriously.  Maybe he wasn't inciting a call to violence against Hillary but the implication that the second person doesn't come out is blatently hostile, at best.


by JustJennifer on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 05:01:43 PM EST

Re: Olbermann's "Solution" (2.00 / 1)

This is alllllll Obama's fault!!!!!!!!  Get an issue and work with it.  This is why HRC's campaign has pissed away every chance and dollar.  B/c you guys can't seem to hang on to any one issue.  This is going to be your new bitter gate.  Obama Hates Women Gate B/c Keith Said Something to Someone.


by SovSov on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 05:08:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Olbermann's "Solution" (2.00 / 1)

Uh, yeah ok.  This has nothing to do with Obama (in my mind anyway).  


by JustJennifer on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:16:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Olbermann's "Solution" ... (2.00 / 2)

Reactions from prominent women bloggers:

From Rachel Sklar of Huffington Post -- Keith Olbermann's Idea For Beating Hillary: Literally Beating Hillary

Excerpt:


What does that mean? Really, it can only mean one thing: Beating the crap out of Hillary Clinton, to the point where she is physically incapable of of getting up and walking out. At minimum. We know this. We know this because we have all seen movies where people are invited into private places to have "discussions" and the unruly party is, um, dealt with accordingly. It's an unmistakably violent image.
Do I really think Olbermann thinks Hillary Clinton should really be violently beaten to the point of physical incapacitation, or worse? No, though some have taken that statement to its logical conclusion. But it is an unmistakably violent image -- and that point seems to be undisputed by those who have written about it so far (Google "Olbermann" and "take her into a room" and you'll see results like "Keith Olbermann Advocates Violence Against Hillary" "Olbermann: Misogyny 101" "Calls To End Race Turn Violent""Olbermann: How To Snuff Out Hillary Clinton"). Even Fineman seemed taken aback by the statement - there is a distinct pause after, and it's an eternity in TV time. He's not facing the camera but you can tell that the statement was jarring. (Even so he agreed, saying, "Yes, yes exactly.")

There really seems to be only one interpretation here, and the only point of debate is on whether it's okay or not. I'm going to cut that one short: It's not. To the fellow (male) journo I wrote to about this yesterday, who waved it off as just some colorful film-noir imagery, I say: can you IMAGINE if someone had said that about Obama? That he should be taken somewhere and dealt with, so that he wouldn't come back? Can you imagine if some right-winger had talked about getting Obama out of the race "the old-fashioned way?" If that last one makes you cringe, it should, because it evokes a history of violence against black people in this country that is raw and real. Well, frankly, the same goes for women -- many of whom have been taken somewhere private, and never returned.

I can already hear the outcry of those who can't believe I'd equate the gender card with the race card. Well, too bad. They're both issues, they're both factors, and in the first presidential campaign where both a woman and an African-American have a real shot at the nomination, they're both all too germane. Each of the candidates is a complex person whose appeal or lack thereof can be endlessly parsed and attributed to all sorts of factors. But sexism is one of them, and part of the problem is that too many of such comments are waved away as being just jokes or not a big deal or geez, take a chill pill. Well sure, I'd be happy to -- as soon as I can no longer find articles like this one, which cites the example of "a politically progressive man who made a series of legitimate complaints about Clinton's policies before adding that when he hears the senator's voice, he's overcome by an urge to punch her in the face."

To my mind, this is much worse than Pimp-Gate, which entailed an off-color implication resulting from David Shuster's misguided attempt to sound cool, and even worse than Chris Matthews saying that Clinton had gotten where she was because her husband had "messed around." If David Shuster can be suspended for likening Chelsea Clinton to a prostitute, then what happens when Keith Olbermann implies that the only way to stop Hillary Clinton is to inflict some sort of physical harm on her? Like I said above, I don't think that Olbermann meant it literally, but that's not the point. Words matter, and so do the images they evoke. This can't be ignored.

A reader of her blog post made the following comment:  "As an Obama supporter, sometimes Mr. Olbermann and his veiled/not-so veiled misogyny has me reconsidering my vote."

I personally have heard many of my women friends told me that the misogyny against Senator Clinton is so hurtful that they have developed an intense fear of Obama and his supporters.  I'm sure this type of fear is partially responsible for the poor support Obama is getting from women voters.


by Hurdy Gurdy on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 05:09:52 PM EST

Re: Olbermann's "Solution" ... (2.00 / 1)

From Blogger Anglachel:

Olbermann Calls for Clinton's Murder

Excerpt:


What Keith Olbermann said yesterday is not symbolic. He flatly said a (male) Democratic super delegate should take Hillary Clinton into a room, and only the man should emerge.

Keith Olbermann is openly advocating the murder of Hillary Clinton.

We need to say this. It does not preclude talking about the other elements that may be subsumed under that final act, that she would also be battered and raped, but the clear message sent out by Keith Olbermann is he wants someone to murder this woman.

Over the months, I have read various bits of bullshit talking about how "people" are "worried" that Obama might be an assassination target. This is such an obvious line of sensationalistic crap from his campaign to try to create a false aura of danger (Quick! Flock to Barry's defense! Those terrible white racists are gunning for him!) when there has been nothing in the public realm to back it up. Let me be perfectly clear. I think it is probable that there is some nutcase out there who would like to try to assassinate Obama, and I think this because there is always some nutcase out there who thinks killing a public figure is a peachy idea. Or just some nutcase who wants attention - remember the would-be suicide bomber at Hillary's New Hampshire office? However, certainly within the liberal blogosphere and the MSM (I do not venture into the wingnut fever swamps), there is no drumbeat for violence against Obama.

This is not the case with Hillary. I have myself read comments advocating rape and murder. I have read main posts saying she was inciting violent acts against her, or saying they could "understand" the position of those who wished violent harm to befall her, her husband and her daughter. The descriptions of what Obama should do to Hillary verge on the pornographic. Not a day goes by that some prominent voice on the left or in the MSM does not demand her submission, subordination and public humiliation.

And now a major MSM celebrity and talking head, not some anonymous commenter on some obscure blog, has openly and unapologetically advocated that Hillary Clinton be marched into a dark room and murdered.

Think that is too far? A real stretch? Just a tad bit hysterical? Replace Hillary Clinton with Barack Obama in that formulation and you tell me what that means. If someone said this about Barack Obama, it would mean that this man be lynched to remove him from a path to power. Period. Full stop. No equivocations. It would be understood as nothing less than a call for the man's murder, and there would be an outcry from EVERY Democrat, even those of us who do not much care for Obama as a candidate, condemning those words, because that is what we are called upon to do when confronted with evil.

What Keith Olbermann wants done to another human being is evil. It belongs with torture, lynching, and systemic rape. He is saying we should use physical violence against a political enemy to secure the outcome we want. He is saying murder is an acceptable act when done against a reviled outsider by those on the inside who know what is good for the nation. Anyone who chooses to share a sound stage with this man after these words, unless it is to condemn him in the harshest, most ungiving terms, is to put yourself on the side of evil. Any blogger who fails to condemn Olberman for this blunt and unequivocal statement has no business writing a critical word about Bush and Cheney's torture policies, because you would be just cool with it being done to this individual simply to be rid of a political rival.

Let's say it again clearly so there can be no mistake:

Keith Olbermann has called for Hillary Clinton's murder.


by Hurdy Gurdy on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 05:12:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Olbermann's "Solution" ... (2.00 / 2)

From Blogger riverdaughter:

Keith, what are we talking about here exactly?

Excerpt:


Ok, so I interpret your statement to mean that you would like a superdelegate to take Hillary Clinton into a room and somehow intimidate her, you don't specify how, to drop out of the race and that at the end of this process, only one of them, preferably the superdelegate, would emerge.

I find his scenario to be unrealistic. It is much more likely that the superdelegate would find himself won over by Senator Clinton's intelligence, professionalism and energy. But the question that remains unasked is why would she not be able to come out of that room on her own in your scenario? I think the implication is clear here. What is implied is that the superdelegate would work her over physically until she yielded. The result of the beating would leave her incapacitated to exit the room of her own volition. And you are probably going to claim that you were making a reference to some movie on organized crime or corrupt police or something like that, where the subject of the implied brutality is a character that no one likes and who probably deserves what's coming to them.

Indeed, you may feel like Hillary Clinton is a character that no one likes and who deserves what is coming to her. I assure you that you are incorrect. Many of us like and admire her. But what you said ignores some pretty harsh realities. You may have been on the delivery end of those realities and have one perspective while many of us have been on the receiving end and have quite a different understanding.

It is never a joking matter when a man takes a woman into a room to physically assault her in an attempt to get her to comply to some demand. Those of us who have actually been through the process find your thoughtless remark incredibly damaging to the years of progress we have made in preventing domestic violence, rape, sexual harrassment and other gender related offenses.


by Hurdy Gurdy on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 05:15:15 PM EST
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Re: Olbermann's "Solution" (2.00 / 5)

She humiliated KO when she was on his show.  She answered his 'hard' questions with clarity and humor, and he was left speechless. He can rant about her for hours, as long as she isn't there.  But he was plenty able to threaten her behind her back, what a brave man? In so doing he called for violence, and he probably doesn't even know what he did that was wrong. He thinks she deserves to be killed?  That is far over the top, and he is so admired by his male viewers, that he's asked for her to be assassinated, and someone may decide to obey him.  The sexism on MSNBC is dangerous, and Keith must be fired.  He isn't responsible enough to have a bully pulpit.    


what a relief
by anna shane on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 05:14:39 PM EST

Hillary didn't answer... (2.00 / 0)

... KO's "hard" questions.  She dodged them, spouting pargraphs of campaign talking points and running out the clock so he wouldn't have time for a follow up.

Any time she starts that cackle before the questioner has even finished a question, you know she's scared of the question and will not answer it honestly.  It's her "tell."  This was especially obvious and disgraceful with his question about Richard Mellon Scaife.

Olberman showed considerable reserve not calling her out then and there.


Ignorance is weakness. Get strong.
by tbetz on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 07:54:13 PM EST
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Re: Hillary didn't answer... (2.00 / 1)

he was cowardly, if he had it he should have shown it. He had to snipe her later, if you can't face your enemies who the heck are you.  KO is now a certifiable coward joke man.  He lacks what it takes. He's the kind of guy who talks big and backs down.  Plus, he needs to be fired. So, there!!!


what a relief
by anna shane on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:21:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

If he'd pressed her then on her non-answers... (none / 0)

... you'd be screaming about how he beat up on her.

Olberman showed class and restraint, despite the way she insulted his -- and our -- intelligence.


Ignorance is weakness. Get strong.
by tbetz on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:23:22 PM EST
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re (2.00 / 1)

If Olbermann went into a room with Hillary I am pretty sure SHE would be the one coming out!


by rossinatl on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 05:59:00 PM EST

Olberman should have lost his job (2.00 / 1)

With his ridiculous hit job on Clinton on NAFTAGATE. That was one of the most disgusting pieces of "journalismL" I have ever seen. He reported an unsubstantiated allegation as fact and offered no rebuttal. He just had Howard Fineman to perpetuate his smear, which was exposed as factually wrong a few days later.


by Mayor McCheese on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:33:26 PM EST

Re: Olbermann's "Solution" - (2.00 / 2)

I think Olbermann is around the bend these days.


by linfar on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 07:02:31 PM EST

Another POS lie-fest on the Wreck list... (1.00 / 1)

... recced by the same HillaryIs44 mob.  Musta got the same e-mail notice that TexasDarlin' got.

Besides the major lie about Olberman making violent threats (total bullshit) Randi Rhodes was not fired.  Her contract, negotiated at a time when AAR couldn't pay their number-one talent what she was worth, so they had to give her pretty much anything else she wanted, actually prohibited AAR from firing her, and the new suits there didn't like that.  They took her off the air because she wouldn't change her contract, using a two-week old comedy performance as an excuse.  

After the public outcry against her suspension, and the enormous drop in podcast subscriptions, the suits ended up begging her to stay, even offered her more money to stay, but they required her first to apologize, so they could save some face.  She refused to apologize;  and as soon as the date specified in her contract arrived that allowed her to quit AAR, she quit, and took herself and her fans to NovaM radio.  

Most of the stations that used to carry her still do, via the new syndicator, and her show is better than it has been in years -- she's having fun again, back in her home in Florida, freed of the AAR idiot suits.


Ignorance is weakness. Get strong.
by tbetz on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 07:44:05 PM EST


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